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Both flags used unofficially since 1945, adopted 14th December 1953
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Blue-white lozengy of at least 21 pieces was adopted as alternative 14 Dec 1953. Illustrated in Smith 1975 p. 227.
Norman Martin, 1998
The number of lozenges is only fixed to a minimum of 21, including the incomplete ones. That means that flags with more lozenges are correct. The shape of the lozenges is not fixed by the law, but the (incomplete) lozenge in the upper corner must be a white one.
Dieter Linder, 12 Jan 1998
Both horizontal and vertical flags with blue over white stripes or blue and white lozenges without arms can be considered official for use as state and civil flag and as civil ensign (on lakes and rivers) [thus ]. The variants with arms are not only unofficial, but strictly speaking illegal. However, the de facto used civil flag is in most cases a lozengy flag with the arms.
Marcus Schmöger, 28 Jan 2001
The angle of the lines forming the lozenges is not prescribed. There are many variants available.
Marcus Schmöger, 2 Feb 2001
There is absolutely no standard for the Bavarian blue. Usually it is a kind of medium pale blue, something like:
|RGB 0-0-204||(FOTW dark blue or B+)|
I would say that use of dark blue RGB 0-0-204 is definitely not correct for two reasons. Firstly, being from Bavaria, I have never ever seen it being used. Secondly, and more important, the colours are described in the Bavarian anthem "the colours of the sky, white and blue" and sky blue is definitely a light shade of blue. Further, I would think that a very light shade (RGB 0-204-255) is the more popular colour (the folkloric or "Beer Festival" type) while the slightly darker RGB 0-128-255 is more frequent in official use, e.g. on government flags.
Stefan Clement, 31 Mar 2002
Stefan Clement is basically right about the use of a darker shade of blue for more "official" use instead of the lighter shade, that is used as "Beer Festival" type. This would be one of my research projects, if I would have enough time: the shade of the Bavarian blue over the time and for different uses.
As regards the dark blue 0-0-204, I would have agreed with Stefan Clement, say two years ago. Since then, however, I have visited many municipalities researching municipal flags, where I have also looked at the Bavarian flags in storage. Many of the older Bavarian flags in storage, mostly striped, not lozengy flags, but always hanging flags, show a quite dark blue, decidedly darker than usual now. If this should be represented on screen as RGB 0-0-204 is another question, as it is always, especially with the blue shades.
There is no legal definition of the blue, so basically any blue would do. The colours derive from the lozengy arms of the Wittelsbach family and in heraldry there is no distinction between light blue or dark blue, so I would guess that in most times different shades had been in use. The Bavarian anthem does not help much as the sky can have quite a range of different shades of blue. Of course the anthem did influence the perception by the people of a light shade of "sky blue" being the more correct shade of the Bavarian blue.
Marcus Schmöger, 7 Apr 2002
Editor's note: see also Vertical Lozengy Flags.
|Reported c.1970||Oktoberfest 2000 no.1||Oktoberfest 2000 no.2|
|by Jaume Ollé||by Marcus Schmöger||by Marcus Schmöger|
Some vexillological observations during the 2000 Oktoberfest:
Most official authorities (e.g. the Bavarian ministries) use vertical flags (German and Bavarian) as their official flag on the building. So one could call that 'regular' here in Bavaria.
Marcus Schmöger, 2 Feb 2001
Image by Marcus Schmöger
Image by Marcus Schmöger
These are the two versions of the Bavarian coat-of-arms:
- Greater arms (großes bayerisches Staatswappen): quartered shield with inescutcheon and lions as supporters;
- Lesser arms (kleines bayerisches Staatswappen): just the inescutcheon of the greater arms (lozengy of white and blue) with the crown.
Marcus Schmöger, 18 Feb 2001
At the end of WW2 (28 April 1945) a small Bavarian anti-Nazi resistance group, the FAB (Freiheitsaktion Bayern or Freedom Action Bavaria) occupied the broadcasting station at Freimann and encouraged the people to hoist the Bavarian flag instead of the swastika flag. In Götting (near Bad Aibling) the teacher Hangl and the priest Grimm decided to hoist the Bavarian flag at the steeple (instead of the swastika flag, called by the priest the "red hanky"; although urged by an officer to remove the flag, they didn't obey. An SS officer later that day arrested both, and they were shot shortly afterwards. On 2 May 1945 the village was liberated by American forces.
Marcus E.V. Schmöger, 18 Jul 2003
I think I must have said this a few years back. It should be remarked that in April 1945 (as I was going swiftly through Southern Germany), while in other parts of Germany, if we saw flags waving at all, they were white surrender flags (usually bedsheets), in Bavaria we frequently saw Bavarian bicolors.
Norman Martin, 18 Jul 2003
Some Bavarian acquaintances have told me that the Blau-Weiss represents the pure and beautiful lakes and rivers of Bavaria. Do any Bavarians agree? The B-W does resemble the heraldic stylization of water.
Anonymous, 24 Oct 2003
...and the two variants (horizontal bicolor, lozenges) are use to indicate calm vs. choppy waters? ;-)
Thorsten, 24 Oct 2003
I would suppose that the origin of the tincturtes in the arms of Bavaria, which have given the colours to the flag, is so old that the meaning, if there was one originally, is acctually long since forgotten. That is the case with most old national colours.
Elias Granqvist, 24 Oct 2003
Do we have pure lakes and rivers? Really? And the question is what does "represent" mean? The Bavarian colours white-blue (never say Blue-White!!) are derived from the lozengy coat-of-arms of the Wittelsbach family, that ruled Bavaria for centuries. The Wittelsbach had inherited this arms from the counts of Bogen. As with all ancient arms (except the canting ones) there is no "meaning" in the arms, at least none is known. There had been quite some
debates (especially in the 19th century), what the *lozenges* mean, but this was all fictitious crap.
The only connection of the *colours* white and blue with some feature of Bavaria, can be found in the text of the Bavarian anthem: "und erhalte dir die Farben deines Himmels, Weiß und Blau" (and save you the colours of your sky, white and blue).
Marcus E.V. Schmöger, 24 Oct 2003
Interestingly, "Blau-Weiss" was the name of a German Jewish student group in the 1920's or so. The origin of the name is obvious.
Nathan Lamm, 24 Oct 2003
Marcus asked: "Do we have pure lakes and rivers? Really?" and I ask: "And women, too?" The root "Wittel" refers to "Weiss," white, and a "Bach" is a brook, usually blue, and here we have the pure white and blue rivers, haven't we? Lakes are useful in Bavaria only to drown crazy kings, which is more human than beaheading or guillotinizing them.
Ivan Sache, 24 Oct 2003
Image from Marcus E.V. Schmöger, 31 Mar 2009
A few weeks ago German TV broadcasted a TV movie called "Der Bär ist los! Die Geschichte von Bruno." which had a Bavarian flag variant in it. The TV movie was the story about the first brown bear in Bavaria for more than hundred years (called Bruno). The movie was meant to be somewhat humorous, but well...
It included several instances of a variant of the Bavarian flag not already mentioned: namely a hanging flag, lozengy, with the Greater Arms, but not with the current one, rather the 1923 arms. This flag variant can be seen sometimes in the wild, but not "that" often. The arms itself is rather popular, in particular among heraldists, because it is more straightforward, simple and clean than the current (post 1950) arms. The famous Otto Hupp was the designer of the 1923 arms. The movie also showed this bear while "critically inspecting" a border sign with the current Bavarian arms.
Marcus E.V. Schmöger, 31 Mar 2009