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The 2 Georges (novel)

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The two Georges by Harry Turtledove and Richard Dreyfuss. It’s about the present days North America still ruled by the British monarchy.
Marc Pasquin , 18 Oct 2000

In the book, George Washington and George III had ended the revolution with an agreement keeping the colonies in the British Empire.
Michael P. Smuda , 14 Feb 2001


North American Union

thirteen stripes alternating red and white, union jack in canton
by Eugene Ipavec based on a cover illustration.

The flag of the north american union (that include the U.S. and Canada) is similar to the Grand Union Flag but note the red saltire.
Marc Pasquin , 18 Oct 2000


American Independence Movement

thirteen stripes alternating red and white, an eagle in canton
by Marc Pasquin based on the text.

The flag of the American Independence Movement (a right-wing anti-monarchist movement).
Marc Pasquin , 18 Oct 2000


Province of Upper California

green field, 3 golden apples
image by Eugene Ipavec, 13 Apr 2006, using clipart apples

At the time of the book, roughly sometime in the early 1900’s, there is a reception at the governor’s mansion in the province of Upper California, a part of the North American Union. Its flag is described as:

the golden apples of the sun »(…)« appeared on the green field of Upper California’s provincial flag.
Referring to the golden apples of the Hesperides of Greek myth. Does someone have an idea as to what this symbol may look like: is there a set number of apples and arrangement?
Michael P. Smuda, 14 Feb 2001

According to, the apples should be three in number, but there doesn’t seem to have been any consistent convention for depicting them, at least not in antiquity. 1 over 2 is as good as any arrangement I suppose?
Eugene Ipavec, 13 Apr 2006

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